11:41 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, everybody.  Thank you.  Thank you so much.  Everybody, please have
a seat.  Well, it is wonderful to see all of you.  I want to thank Fran for that wonderful
introduction.  And I want to make a few acknowledgements before I make some opening remarks.

First of all, we’ve got one of the best secretaries of Health and Human Services that
we’ve ever had in Kathleen Sebelius.  Please give her a big round of applause.  (Applause.) 
I want to thank Governor O’Malley for joining us here today, for his terrific efforts. 
(Applause.)  I want to acknowledge our wonderful senior senator from the great state of
Maryland -- Barbara Mikulski is here.  (Applause.)  Ben Cardin couldn’t be here, but he’s
wonderful too, so give him a round of applause.  (Laughter and applause.)  We got U.S.
Representative Chris Van Hollen here.  (Applause.)  And U.S. Representative Donna Edwards. 
(Applause.)  And I wanted to just let you know, they fought hard on behalf of seniors and on
behalf of this health care bill, and I could not be prouder to be joined by them.

I really want to thank Fran for sharing her story with us.  I want to thank everybody who’s
joined us here at the Holiday Park Senior Center.  And there are a lot of people who are
listening and watching all across America, so I appreciate all of you as well.

I’m looking forward to taking some of your questions, but first, what I want to do is say a
few brief words about the Affordable Care Act that we passed a couple months back, and what it
means for America’s seniors.

It’s hard to imagine today, but just two generations ago, millions of our seniors went
without basic health care coverage.  Millions.  It wasn’t right.  It wasn’t reflective of
our values and who we are.  So rather than allow that reality to continue, we made a promise to
America’s seniors that you can live out your golden years with some basic peace of mind and
health coverage that you can count on.  That was the promise of Medicare.

The Affordable Care Act renews and strengthens that promise. This new law recognizes that
Medicare isn’t just something that you’re entitled to when you reach 65; it’s something
that you’ve earned.  It’s something that you’ve worked a lifetime for, having the
security of knowing that Medicare will be there when you need it.  It’s a sacred and
inviolable trust between you and your country.  And those of us in elected office have a
commitment to uphold that trust -– and as long as I’m President, I will.

And that’s why this new law gives seniors and their families greater savings, better
benefits and higher-quality health care. That’s why it ensures accountability throughout the
system so that seniors have greater control over the care that they receive.  And that’s why
it keeps Medicare strong and solvent -– today and tomorrow.

Now, you’ve just heard Fran’s story.  When Fran was diagnosed with breast cancer, the cost
of her medication surpassed the Medicare Part D coverage limit -– but it didn’t reach the
catastrophic coverage threshold.  So she found herself in this coverage gap called the
“doughnut hole,” where she was forced to pay the entire cost of the medicine she needed out
of pocket.  That came to thousands of dollars, forcing her and her husband to cut back
everywhere else.

And I think everybody here understands Fran’s story is not uncommon.  I’ve heard others
like it all across this country, and I read them -- read about it when I read letters from so
many of you at night.  Those stories -– your stories -– are why we passed this law in the
first place -– to ensure that we don’t have to keep on telling this same story.

Now, this debate got pretty contentious at times last year. I think you remember.  (Laughter.)
 And just when you were looking for accurate information about what this reform would mean for
you, there were a lot of opponents of health care reform generally that sought to deny you that
information.  And they ran some pretty nasty rumors in hopes that it would scare folks.  I know
that’s hard to imagine in politics -- (laughter) -- but that’s what happened.

And we had seen it before.  In the 1930s, when more than half of our seniors couldn’t
support themselves and millions saw their savings vanish, there were a number of opponents who
argued that Social Security was going to be socialism.  In 1965, plenty of folks warned that
Medicare was going to lead to a government takeover of the health care system.  Same argument
that was made earlier this year and last year.  We found out that those warnings had no anchor
in reality, and neither do the hysterical claims about this law. 

So here’s the truth:  First and foremost, what you need to know is that the guaranteed
Medicare benefits that you’ve earned will not change, regardless of whether you receive them
through Medicare or Medicare Advantage.  Your guaranteed benefits will not change.  Eligibility
won’t change.  Medicare will continue to cover your costs the way it always has.  If you like
your doctor, you can keep your doctor.  In fact, we’re taking steps to increase the number of
primary care physicians so that seniors get the care that they need.  And I’m committed to
reforming the way in which we compensate doctors under Medicare, because right now it doesn’t
make any sense.  I don’t think -- some of you may be aware of the fact that we’ve got this
patchwork system where Medicare doctors each year have to see if they’re going to get
reimbursed properly or not.  And we’ve got to change that, and that’s something that I’m
committed to doing.  And I’m going to keep fighting for doctor pay that is more
cost-effective and efficient, and I urge Congress to pass a short-term fix today and then we
need to fix this thing over the long term tomorrow.

So those are the facts.  What you’ll see through this new law are new benefits, new cost
savings, and an increased focus on quality to ensure that you get the care that you need.  And
we’re moving quickly and carefully to implement this law so that you begin to see some of
these savings immediately.

Case in point:  Beginning this week, tens of thousands of seniors who fall into the doughnut
hole, like Fran, will receive a $250 rebate check to help you cover the cost of your
prescriptions.  That will happen immediately -- that’s starting now.  (Applause.)  Each month
-- and what’s going to happen is, each month, as more seniors hit the doughnut hole, more and
more checks will hit the mail -– helping more than 4 million seniors by the end of this year.
 Now, beginning next year, if you fall into the coverage gap, you’ll get a 50 percent
discount on the brand-name medicine that you need -- 50 percent.  (Applause.)  And by 2020 --
it’s being phased in, but by 2020 this law will close the doughnut hole completely.  The
doughnut hole will be gone.  It will be gone.  (Applause.) 

Now, that’s not all.  Beginning next year, preventive care -– including annual wellness
visits for Medicare beneficiaries, certain screening services like mammograms -– will be
free, because the best way to prevent a serious illness is to diagnose it early.

This law also gives us the power to see to it that insurance companies don’t raise your
rates just to pad their profits.  (Applause.)  Last week, Secretary Sebelius reminded insurance
companies that we’ve got the authority to review and reject unreasonable rate increases for
Medicare Advantage plans, and she put them on notice that we will exercise that authority.

Finally, because seniors are more frequently targeted by scam artists, we made sure the new
law gives us stronger tools to target criminals.  And I want to send a notice to all who would
swindle and steal from seniors and the Medicare system:  We are going to find you, we will
prosecute you, and we will ultimately prevent those crimes from happening ever again. 
(Applause.)

Part of the reason this is so important is because we’ve been receiving some outrageous
reports from around the country of people trying to scam seniors out of Medicare.  They’ll
call asking for a Medicare number or a Social Security number or bank account information,
claiming it’s necessary to re-enroll in Medicare or to sign up for “new Medicare cards.” 
Some even go door to door, claiming they’re selling new government policies.  It’s
appalling and it’s infuriating, and we’re going to put a stop to it.  And that’s why
today, I want to announce a couple of tough new efforts to protect seniors.

At my direction, Secretary Sebelius and Attorney General Holder have expanded efforts across
the country to vigorously crack down on criminals who seek to take advantage of seniors and of
taxpayer dollars.  We’ve established a joint Health Care Fraud Prevention and Enforcement
Action Team, also known as HEAT.  (Laughter.)  Yeah, you like that -- HEAT.  (Applause.)  This
task force is already focusing on certain cities with high rates of questionable Medicare
expenses, and charged several individuals with fraudulent billing.  In addition, they’ll
continue a series of summits in cities across America with high rates of Medicare fraud,
beginning next month in Miami.  At these summits, they’ll work with state and local
officials, health care providers, and others that seniors rely on most, to increase awareness
of fraud and share information and expertise in identifying fraud.

And finally, we’re going to reduce by half the amount of waste, fraud and abuse in the
Medicare system, protecting your Medicare and the American taxpayer’s money.  In fact,
we’re looking to eliminate waste everywhere we can.  Earlier this morning, my budget director
Peter Orszag laid out our effort to cut wasteful spending across government -– including
asking all agencies to identify their worst-performing programs as we put together the next
federal budget.

So that’s what this law does.  Now, having said that, there -- some of the folks who were
against health reform in Congress, they still think that none of this should have happened. 
They don’t think you should be getting these rebates, don’t think we should be closing this
doughnut hole.  In fact, you have an entire party out there that’s running on a platform of
repeal.

They want to roll back all these reform efforts.  They say they have their own plan, but over
the last 14 months of debate, they never seriously advanced it.  And when you look at it, you
can see why.  They’d roll back the rebate to help you pay for your medicine if you fall in
the doughnut hole.  They’d roll back the free preventive care for Medicare recipients.  And
then away from seniors, they’d roll back all the insurance provisions that make sure that
insurance companies aren’t cheating folks who are paying their premiums. 

Their plan would let insurance companies continue to deny folks coverage when they get sick. 
They’d do little to make insurance more affordable.  They’d gut the existing consumer
protections.  They’d put insurance companies back in charge.  Some have even filed
legislation that would end Medicare as we know it, giving every senior a voucher for health
care instead.

Now, I refuse to let that happen.  We’re not going back.  We are going to move forward. 
That’s why I was elected.  (Applause.) 

So, all told, the Affordable Care Act is a law that keeps America’s promise to our seniors. 
And it extends that promise to your children and your grandchildren and your
great-grandchildren, because in recent years, we’ve arrived at one of those moments where we
needed to make right a longstanding wrong.  Millions of middle-class Americans watched our
employer-based health care system fray along the edges, leave a lot of people out.  A lot of
people didn’t have Medicare or qualify for Medicaid.  They fell into terrible situations. 
And we decided we were going to stand up, as we’ve done so many times before, to make sure
that everybody got a fair shot.  And we’re a better nation for it.

Once this reform is fully in effect, middle-class families are going to pay less for their
health care.  Taxpayers won’t have to pay higher premiums for trips to the ER by uninsured
Americans.  Businesses are going to get help with their health care costs -- in fact, small
businesses are already learning they’re eligible for tax credits to cover their workers this
year.  And the worst practices of the insurance company will end, so that they can’t deny you
coverage because you got a preexisting condition, or because you happen to get sick and
suddenly they decide it’s not convenient to cover you.  So this law looks out for future
generations by doing more to bring down our long-term deficits than just about anything that we
could do.

And in the end, this debate was about whether we’re still a nation that keeps its promises
to our seniors, and gives all of our citizens -- not just some of them, but all of them -- a
chance to reach their dreams.  It was about whether we’re still a people that are able to
meet big challenges.  And I’m proud to say that the answer to each of those questions was
yes.  And as long as I’m President and I’ve got great allies like the members of Congress
who are here, then this is going to be a promise that America continues to keep.

So thank you very much, everybody.  And now I want to take some of your questions. 
(Applause.)  Let me make sure my mic is working.  (Laughter.)  Okay.  Secretary Sebelius is
going to be like Oprah -- she’s going to run the show here.  (Laughter.) 

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  But I can’t give away cars, I’m afraid.  (Laughter.)  So as I told
you before, we have lots of people listening from around the country, and a number in here I
know who want to ask questions.  So we’ll take the first question from the audience.

Yes, ma’am.  And if you would say your name and then ask your question to the President.

Q    Good morning, Mr. President. 

THE PRESIDENT:  Good morning.

Q    I just joined --

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  Can you tell us your name?

Q    Yes, I can do that.  (Laughter.)  Mary Kay Crangel, (phonetic) and I live in Arlington,
Virginia.  I just became eligible for Medicaid four weeks ago, and I’ve joined the program. 
My question is about --

THE PRESIDENT:  For Medicare or Medicaid?  I want to make sure -- Medicare?

Q    Medicare.  Did I say Medicaid?  Oh, sorry.

THE PRESIDENT:  That’s okay.  (Laughter.) 

Q    Medicare.  My question is about the doughnut hole.  I think all of us appreciate the
$250, and I think that will help a lot of folks.  But my concern is that it’s taking so long
-- why 10 years to close the hole completely?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, here’s what happening.  Essentially, we’re going to be phasing this
down.  And I’ll be honest with you, it’s just a matter of money.  It’s very expensive to
close this doughnut hole.  When the prescription drug plan was originally passed -- frankly, we
shouldn’t have had a doughnut hole in the first place, but once that hole was created, then
each year the budget was assuming that doughnut hole was there.  For us to close that right
away would have blown a hole through the budget. 

So essentially what we said is, how do we provide some immediate assistance to seniors who are
falling into the doughnut hole, and then how do we ratchet down the cost to seniors each year
so that by the time we get to 2020, the doughnut hole is completely eliminated?

In the meantime, though, as I said -- I want everybody to be clear here -- you will
immediately benefit first from the $250 check that you receive.  Next year we then phase in 50
percent discount on the prescription drugs that you’re paying.  And each subsequent year what
you’re going to be seeing is, is that the costs are going to be continually reduced.

Now, part of what we still have to do is we still have to work with the drug companies to
reduce just the cost of prescription drugs generally.  And this is something that Secretary
Sebelius takes very seriously.  Are there ways that, for example, we can get generics on the
market quicker?  Are there ways that we can make sure that the patent laws don’t prevent new
products from getting to the market the way they should?  Are there ways that we can do a
better job negotiating for better prices?  So there are going to be a whole host of things that
we’re going to be doing.  It’s not like we’re going to be standing still during this 10
years.  But what this law does is it guarantees that help and makes sure that a decade from now
it’s going to be completely eliminated.

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  Thank you, Mr. President.  My understanding is we have folks standing by
around the country.  So the next question will come from the audience. 

OPERATOR:  Thank you.  Your first call is from Barbara Franklin from Rantoul, Illinois. 
Barbara, please ask your question.

THE PRESIDENT:  It’s like magic.  (Laughter.) 

Q    Mr. President, my name is Barbara Franklin.  I’m President of the Illinois Alliance for
Retired Americans.  My question is, will the reduction and subsidies to Medicare Advantage
plans cause these companies to reduce coverage to senior plans?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, it’s a great question.  Where are you calling from in Illinois?

Q    Rantoul, Illinois.

THE PRESIDENT:  Rantoul is a great town.  (Laughter.)

Q    Yes.  (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT:  Tell everybody back home I said hi. 

Q    I sure will.

THE PRESIDENT:  This has been an area where probably there’s been the most misinformation
and concern, after the death panels.  Remember those? 

For those who are not familiar with it -- and I want to make sure that I explain this as
clearly as possible -- Medicare provides a guaranteed benefit.  And then a while back a law was
passed saying we’re going to have a program called Medicare Advantage in which we pay
insurance companies to provide Medicare benefits.  So the insurance companies are supposed to
manage these Medicare benefits.

There are examples of where Medicare Advantage has been a good deal for some seniors.  But,
overall, what happened to the program is, is that insurance companies were getting paid on
average $1,000 more -- $1,000 more -- than the costs of regular Medicare.  Okay?

Now, by law these insurance companies were supposed to be providing additional benefits and
better services for this $1,000.  But a lot of it ended up going to their profits and CEO
bonuses and their bottom lines.  What’s more was you -- if you weren’t signed up for
Medicare Advantage -- were still paying higher premiums for somebody else’s Medicare
Advantage.  If you’re in regular Medicare, which is about 77 percent -- so three out of four
of you who are in Medicare are signed up for regular Medicare, and one out of four of you are
signed for Medicare Advantage -- those of you who aren’t in Medicare Advantage, you’re
actually paying a higher premium for that extra $1,000 going to the insurance companies.

Well, that doesn’t seem like a good deal.  That doesn’t seem fair.  So here’s what we
did under the law.  What we said was, you can maintain Medicare Advantage, but we are going to
say to the insurance companies that you can’t use this just to pad your profits or to pay
higher CEO bonuses.  Eighty-five percent of what you spend has to actually be for health
services.  We’re going to review the rates that are applied.  We’re going to set a rate
that is fair and appropriate so that Medicare Advantage isn’t costing people who aren’t in
Medicare Advantage.

So those are the changes that we’ve made.  Now, that is, by the way, where we are obtaining
a number of the savings in Medicare.  It’s by eliminating some of these insurance subsidies
that were unnecessary for the program.  But we have not eliminated Medicare Advantage, and
insurance companies can still make money operating a well-managed Medicare Advantage program
that helps to manage and coordinate the prescription drugs and the dental and all that stuff. 
So for administrative convenience, Medicare Advantage may still end up being a useful program
for some people.  We just want to make sure that that money is not just a big giveaway to the
insurance companies.

And this was costing Medicare overall I think around $17 billion to $18 billion every year. 
That’s billion with a B -- right?  So part of the way that we pay for the improved benefits
and doughnut hole is to say we’re going to take some of that money from the insurance
companies -- and they’ll still be able to make money.  And they’re -- so seniors who are
under a Medicare Advantage plan that is doing a good job have nothing to worry about.  If
you’re signed up for a Medicare Advantage program that is wasting money, then we’re going
to be just telling those insurance companies you got to stop wasting the money.  And that I
think is something that everybody expects us to do as overseeing a program so that it lasts
over the long term.

Anything you want to add there, Kathleen?

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  I think the President did a great job answering that question.  Is there
-- let’s take the next one from the audience.  Sir, in the back.

Q    My name is Pat Connover (phonetic), I’m 69 years old, and I have heart disease, high
blood pressure, and incurable fast-growing prostate cancer.  I have a couple of other chronic
conditions and special concerns as a transgender person.  And in addition, I’m allergic to
some of the drugs that would most be used to treat my conditions.  I’m actually doing the
wise things for myself and I’m still productive in several ways.  One of the big reasons for
my sustained good health is my primary care physician, Dr. Gail Povard (phonetic).  In addition
to being a good doctor, she is an outstanding advocate in coordinating for my sometimes complex
care.  I believe significantly more money can be saved in Medicare by directing more resources
to primary physicians for coordination and patient advocacy, and less to the complex
organizational programs that have the same purpose.  Instead of buying expensive football
teams, what we need is more archers.  (Laughter.) 

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, let me -- I’m not going to comment on football because -- (laughter)
-- are most people around here Ravens fans or Redskins?

AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Redskins!

AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Ravens!  (Laughter.) 

THE PRESIDENT:  I mean, I’m just not -- I just want to make sure.  (Laughter.)  You know, I
don’t know.  See, this is why I didn’t want to talk about football.  (Laughter.)  And we
got a Navy person here, right here.  (Laughter.) 

This issue of primary care physicians is absolutely critical.  And it has the promise of
making such a big difference in the overall health of everybody, from children to seniors.   It
used to be that most of us had a family doctor; you would consult with that family doctor; they
knew your history, they knew your family, they knew your children, they helped deliver babies. 
And as a consequence, what happened was, is that everybody got regular checkups and could
anticipate a lot of the problems that are out there. 

Now, in these big medical systems, so often what happens is, is that you’re shuttled around
from specialist to specialist; oftentimes people don’t have a primary care physician that
they’re comfortable with so they don’t get regular checkups, they don’t get regular
consultations, preventable diseases end up being missed; and you don’t have the kind of
coordination that’s necessary between all these different specialists, right?

So you go to one doctor; they take a test.  Then you go to the hospital; they have you take
the same test.  A lot of errors occur because there’s not communications between these
various specialists, and it adds a lot of cost because each time that test is being taken,
they’re charging Medicare if you’re on Medicare, and if you’re not on Medicare they’re
charging the insurance company.  And that is part of what is adding to all these costs.

So what we’ve been trying to do -- and this was a major focus of the health reform bill --
is, how do we get more primary physicians, number one; and number two, how do we give them more
power so that they are the hub around which a patient-centered medical system exists, right? 

And the first step is getting more primary care physicians.  I mean, sadly, a lot of young
medical students, they’d love to go into primary care, but primary care physicians don’t
get paid as well as specialists.  So they say to themselves, you know what, I don’t want to
-- I’ve got all these medical school bills that I’ve got to pay, I’ve got to become a
plastic surgeon or something.  And so part of the bill was to, through loan forgiveness
programs and other mechanisms, make it more enticing for young medical students to go into
primary care, build up the pool of primary care physicians.

Number two is increasing the reimbursements for primary care.  Right now you’ve got a
situation where if a primary care physician says to a patient, you know what, you need to lose
some weight because you’re at risk of diabetes, and I’ve got a good exercise program that
makes sense and here’s a dietician that you should talk to, sometimes Medicare may not
reimburse that consultation.  But they’ll reimburse the $30,000 foot amputation because --
after somebody gets the disease. 

Well, that doesn’t make sense.  So changing our reimbursement system to encourage preventive
care and encourage what primary care physicians do is probably going to be the single most
important thing that we can do to assure that you and those of you who have good primary care
physicians continue to get that kind of care.

Last point I’ll make, and I just want to go back to this point that I made during my
remarks, about a decade ago I guess -- and Barbara, correct me if I’m getting the timing
wrong -- but about a decade ago, Congress -- not our Congress but a previous Congress --
(laughter) -- made the decision that the way we were going to actually cut Medicare -- or cut
the rising costs of Medicare was to say to doctors and providers, we’re going to cap you at a
certain level, and if you don’t, tough luck. 

And in theory it sounded good, but it wasn’t very well thought through.  And so what
happened was, each year, costs for doctors went up and the reimbursements didn’t.  And
eventually it got so bad that Congress then started saying, you know what, this isn’t
realistic, so each year they’d kind of do a patchwork fix on this thing.  And the formula for
reimbursing Medicare doctors would be adjusted, but it would only be adjusted for a year or
adjusted for two years.  But it wouldn’t get adjusted permanently. 

And what’s happened is, over time, it’s built up so that now each year you end up having
this emergency where unless Congress passes a bill right away, suddenly Medicare doctors are
going to get a 21 percent cut in their reimbursements because all that health care inflation
had built up over time.  Well, we’re now in this situation again.  And we’ve got to fix
this permanently. 

Now, in the meantime, temporarily, we got to make sure that your doctor is getting reimbursed
so that they can stay in business and keep their doors open.  And my administration has worked
very closely with doctors to try to see if we can get this fixed short term, but ultimately
we’re going to have to get it fixed long term. 

What we want is a system where doctors are reimbursed for the right things -- we want them
reimbursed for quality, we want them reimbursed for how good care you’re giving patients.  We
don’t want doctors just to be reimbursed for how many tests they do or how many procedures
they do because sometimes that may mean that they’re not giving the best care.  We want
quality, not quantity.

So there are adjustments we need to make over the long term in how we reimburse doctors.  But
what we shouldn’t do is have this guillotine hanging over their heads every year where
they’re having to figure out, am I am going to get reimbursed or is suddenly my income going
to drop by 20 percent?  Because what will happen is, more and more people will say, I don’t
want to be a Medicare doctor, I don’t want to be a primary care physician for somebody on
Medicare, because it’s going to make my income unstable.  That’s something that we’ve got
to fix.

Okay.

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  Thank you, Mr. President.  Before we take the next question from the
operator, I just want to add one thing to that great answer, which is to tell you that the
President has been focused from the beginning of the discussion about health reform on the
workforce, understanding that it’s great to say everybody should get great medical care,
we’ll have more access.  He said over and over again, what about the docs?  What about the
nurses?  What about the nurse practitioners?  What if we don’t have enough people, how are we
going to deal with this?

So really starting in the Recovery Act, the first or second piece of legislation that was
signed, thanks to members of Congress and the President, there was the beginning of more
scholarships, more incentives for a whole range of health care practitioners that really got
increased in the Affordable Care Act that was just signed.  It’s in the budgets in the
future, it’s going to be continued, but I want to thank you, Mr. President, because as the
discussion went on in Congress, it often didn’t get enough attention, but I can tell you,
because I had the privilege of seeing the President on a very regular basis during this
discussion, that that was constantly a focus of his.  We have to make sure we have not only the
doctors and nurses and nurse practitioners, but the primary care, the gerontologists, the folks
who are going to take care of the entire population.  And that’s been a focus, and I think it
will continue to be a focus.

Operator, if you are still there -- it’s hard because we can’t see, so I assume you’re
still there -- is there another question from the audience listening in?

OPERATOR:  Your next call is from Barbara Call (phonetic) from Denver, Colorado.  Barbara,
please ask your question.

Q    Mr. President, this is Barbara Call. 

THE PRESIDENT:  How are you?

Q    I’m a participant of (inaudible).  I would like to have you answer a question. 

THE PRESIDENT:  I’m all ready.

Q    Okay.  For leading health care reform, I am concerned about how any health care changes
will impact seniors and choice around alternatives to having to go live in a nursing home.  My
friends and I want to live independently. 

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, it is a great question, and let me just say you sound like a woman after
my grandmother’s heart -- (laughter) -- because she -- some of you know my grandmother passed
away a couple years ago.  She helped raise me, so I was very close to her.  And she lived in
Hawaii, and after my grandfather passed away, she had the same little apartment she had had
when I had been growing up over there.  And we kept on trying to say, you know, listen, why
don’t you move to Chicago?  And she said, what am I, an idiot -- (laughter) -- that I am
going to trade 80 degrees and trade winds for Chicago winter? 

But she was always very proud and insistent.  And until the end of her life, she insisted on
making sure that she could live in her apartment.  And there are all kinds of different options
for different people.  The key is we want to give choice to seniors, what’s best for them. 
Some people love living in a retirement facility.  Some people want to stay in their own house.
 Some people want a mix of options and so if they can get some help that comes in, that may be
the best option. 

And what we try to do, not just in this law, but what we’re trying to do generally -- and I
want Secretary Sebelius to fill in some of the specifics on this -- is to increase the number
of options that are available for people and make sure that we are reimbursing through Medicare
not just for the traditional choices of, if you’re in a nursing home, then you’re going to
do it one way or another -- but are there other ways that people can get maybe a nurse who
comes in, or maybe somebody who’s cleaning an apartment for -- once a week.  That’s what my
grandmother did, for example.  And it made all the difference because she couldn’t always
reach to some of the places -- Barbara is all nodding.  She can relate to that.  (Laughter.) 

So those are the kinds of innovations and flexibility that we want to introduce into the
system.  Some of this will be facilitated by the new law; some of it will be facilitated by the
ongoing improvements that we want to institute over the next several years, so it’s not going
to happen all at once. 

But -- go ahead.

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  Thank you, Mr. President.  I think there are a couple of -- let me just
mention just a couple of specific things that are part of the new law.  One is there is a
provision called the CLASS Act, which is going to allow workers in the current workforce to
begin to voluntarily decide to have a payroll check-off and put aside some money that they can
draw on later to provide the kind of residential care that I think is being talked about.  So
if somebody needs to come to the house and help with lunch, or give a bath, or go to the
grocery store, those kinds of features.  So you’d have your own savings account to be able to
draw on that.  And that will be managed as part of the law and I think allow a lot of people to
have more choices.

Just yesterday or the day before, under the Department of Aging, we released grants to the
communities which are going to help governors like Governor O’Malley and his senior volunteer
program get the word out to families about what their options are.  For a lot of people,
particularly if something happens quickly, somebody suddenly gets much sicker than they were
and needs help, a lot of families don’t know what their options are, don’t know if
there’s anything other than a nursing home available.  And so part of choice is knowing what
are -- what is here in Maryland, what’s around the country, what are those options.  So these
will be counselors who will be able to meet with families, meet with family members and talk
about where the options are.

There are also a whole series of medical strategies in the bill that provide for wrap-around
care once a patient leaves a hospital, so a home health team, where somebody may need some
follow-up.  They don’t really need to be in a full-time residential care, but they need
somebody to follow up.  You know, did you fill your medicines?  Are you having any problems? 
Did you -- are you experiencing any trouble?  So the bill also has a whole lot of features that
I think will make the kind of choices much easier for people.

And finally the Caregiver Act, there is a program now, which is part of the overall President
and Vice President’s move moving forward, which will provide for benefits for family members
who are helping to provide for care services, because sometimes, in this tough budget time,
it’s tough.  People are running out of money, and they think, I want to help my loved one
stay at home, I want to provide the care, but I’m trying to raise kids and take care of an
aging parent or aunt and uncle; I don’t have the resources, or I need a day off, or I need
some help going to the grocery store.  So there is going to be some caregiver money, knowing
that about 80 percent of long-term care services are really provided in communities by loved
ones right now and they just need a little help.

So the system is going to get stronger to give those choices across the board.  And I think
all of that is good news for Americans.

THE PRESIDENT:  Good.

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  Yes, sir.  And, again, if you would say your name, that would be great.

Q    I’m Ben Williamowski (phonetic).  I’m a senior citizen who lives in Maryland --
Silver Spring, Maryland.  And I want to thank --

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  Nice to see you again, Doctor.  It’s lovely to have you here.

Q    Nice to see you.  And I want to thank Secretary Sebelius and the President for allowing
me the opportunity to be here and ask this question.  And I’m asking it more on behalf of my
children, who are in their late 50s and 60s, and my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren. 
But I have heard from some of my friends who are -- who spread the myths, who are against the
health care bill no matter what it says.  Of course they were -- told me about the death panel,
of course, which is now dead.  (Laughter.)  

But the -- one of the things that they bring up -- and I heard this same argument in 1965 --
that with providing Medicare -- at this point, we may not be concerned with this at our ages
but our children may be -- that we will soon, with the program the way it is, that Medicare and
Social Security will soon run out of money.  Now, as I say, that concern is not so much for me
at my age but for my children and their children.

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, it is a wonderful question so let me talk just about the finances of the
health care bill, Medicare, and I’ll throw in Social Security in there.

We have a genuine long-term problem.  And I can describe it very simply:  We’ve got a
population that’s getting older, so you’re going to see a bulge in the number of people who
are using Medicare and Medicaid.  More recipients, fewer workers to support those programs. 
We’ve got more money going out and less money coming in.  And that’s going to worsen over
time.

Now, that has nothing to do with the health care bill.  That has to do with the fact that
we’ve got an aging population and health care inflation -- the cost of -- the additional cost
of health care each year is going up much faster than overall inflation and how fast wages and
taxes, et cetera are growing, right?  So you’ve got this gap between how much we’re going
to need for Medicare and Social Security versus how much is actually coming into the programs.

That has to be fixed.  Now, one way to fix it would be to just say we’re just going to cut
benefits.  If there’s going to be a gap between how much Medicare is going to cost and how
much we actually have, we just say, you know what, each of you, we’re going to have to
eliminate some benefits.  You get less -- fewer prescription drugs.  You got to pay higher
co-pays.  You got to -- certain procedures won’t be covered, or maybe some people won’t be
covered.  Or we’ll raise the eligibility when you qualify for Medicare.  I mean, there are a
bunch of adjustments that could be made that essentially come down to cutting benefits. 
That’s one way of dealing with rising costs of Medicare.

Another way, which we think is the smarter way, is to say, where are we getting good value for
our money; where are we not getting good value for our money; how can we design Medicare so
that we’re reducing the costs going -- that are skyrocketing, but people are actually getting
better care?  Are there ways that we can do that?

For example, can we have one test instead of five tests -- have that one test emailed to
everybody so that Medicare is not paying for five tests?  Can we arrange so that because
we’ve got a good primary care physician, you make one visit to the doctor’s office and all
the specialists come to that one office, as opposed to you having to make five different
visits?  Are there ways in which we can use best practices for certain diseases so that we’re
catching them sooner?  It’s cheaper to care for than when you’ve really gotten sick. 

So what we tried to do in this health care bill is actually see how can we make the health
care system as a whole smarter, more efficient for everybody, including young people -- not
just for seniors, because obviously health starts -- the healthier you are when you’re
younger, odds are the healthier you’re going to be as you get older.  So are there ways that
we can -- through preventive care, better efficiencies, better management, make the health care
system overall more effective?  Because if we can do that, then that starts controlling the
costs of Medicare and it won’t go bankrupt as quick.

A lot of those changes are what we introduced in our health care bill, okay?  Now, in
addition, the health care bill overall, because of us eliminating some of those subsidies to
insurance companies that I mentioned, actually are going to save a billion -- a trillion
dollars out of our deficit over the long term.  A trillion -- that’s with a T.  That’s a
lot of money. 

So when you hear arguments out there that, well, you know what, we couldn’t afford this
health care bill, folks who are saying that, they didn’t read the bill, because according to
the Congressional Budget Office, this will actually reduce the deficit, reduce costs by making
the system smarter, making it more efficient.  That in turn means that Medicare will be there
longer. 

Now, the one thing I want to say about both Medicare and Medicaid, though, this health care
bill alone doesn’t solve all our problems, and I don’t want to over-advertise.  The truth
of the matter is it’s very hard to change a health care system that involves millions of
patients, tens of thousands of doctors, hospitals, all those systems all across the country. 
Trying to manage that all from the top is just too hard.

What we try to do is create new incentives, find who’s doing the best job treating what,
advertise those best practices so that other people start adapting them, and over time that
trickles throughout the system so that the system overall gets more efficient.  That’s what
we’re trying to do, and that’s going to take some time.  It’s not going to happen
overnight.  It’s going to happen over the course of a decade, maybe two decades in some
cases, before we’re actually going to be able to solve this problem overall.

But what I want you to tell those friends of yours is that the long-term fiscal implications
of Medicare -- the only way to fix those are to -- what’s called “bend the cost curve,”
make health care more efficient.

The other alternative, which is often the one that is presented by our Republican colleagues,
is to essentially voucherize the system.  I mean, that’s been the main proposal that
they’ve got that was presented during this debate in terms of saving Medicare.  And what that
basically means is, you know what, we’re going to give you a set amount -- just
hypothetically, we’ll give you $5,000 -- you go buy your own health insurance on the private
market instead of getting Medicare. 

But think about it.  What happens?  You get $5,000 and it turns out the costs are $10,000. 
That comes out of your pocket.  And then the next year the costs are $12,000, and maybe they
gave you an adjustment on inflation adjustments, so now you get $5,500, but the cost for the
same quality care you’re getting under Medicare is $12,000.

I mean, there’s an easy way to make it look like you’re solving the problem -- you just
dump it on other people.  And what we’re trying to do is actually solve the problem by making
the health care system more efficient.  That’s going to be harder but it’s fairer, it’s
more just, it’s going to keep the commitment and the promise of Medicare for years to come.

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  Thank you, Mr. President.  Operator, we have time for one more from the
world out there.

OPERATOR:  Your next question comes from Dennis Yurkas (phonetic) from Las Vegas, Nevada. 
Dennis, go ahead and ask your question.

Q    Mr. President --

THE PRESIDENT:  Hi, Dennis.

Q    How are you, sir?

THE PRESIDENT:  Good.

Q    I am a retiree who’s a member of the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades
who is currently drawing my health insurance from COBRA since the federal subsidy for employer
is in danger of being discontinued.  And I have confirmed my former employer will not offer
COBRA if the subsidy is discontinued.  What am I supposed to do and how does the new health
care law help me now to get health care, especially since my wife is dealing with some very
serious health issues?

THE PRESIDENT:  Dennis, can I just ask you the -- so you don’t yet qualify for Medicare. 
You’re getting COBRA because your employer is not -- you’re not on the job right now, is
that what’s going on?

Q    Correct.

THE PRESIDENT:  Okay.  Well, here’s what happened is because of just this terrible recession
that we had, we knew that a lot of folks were going to be losing their jobs.  I mean, when I
took office, 750,000 people per month were losing their jobs.  We’re now, because of the
Recovery Act, the great work that Congress did, we’re now gaining jobs again every month, but
we have that 8-million-job hole that was created because of the recession, and that’s going
to take some time to fill.  So you’ve got a lot of people like Dennis out there -- people in
construction, people in the trades -- a lot of folks who were laid off who not only are
struggling to pay their bills but they were in danger of losing their health care because they
got it through the job.

Now, there’s been a program around for a long time called COBRA -- some of you know about
it.  The idea is that you’re, by law, allowed to keep your health insurance even if you lose
your job just by paying the premiums.  Here’s the catch, though:  If the premiums are $1,000
a month, you weren’t paying those, now you’ve lost your job so you’ve got even less
money.  A lot of people couldn’t afford COBRA. 

So one of the most important things we did in the Recovery Act -- and a lot of people don’t
realize this, but this was hugely important to so many Americans, including Dennis, as you just
heard -- was through the Recovery Act we said that we are going to subsidize 65 percent of the
costs of what your premiums were so that you can keep your health insurance even as you’re
looking for a job and trying to get back on your feet.  So if your premium for your family was
$1,000 a month, now it will only cost you $350 a month. 

We have sustained that for a year and a half now, and we think it’s important to sustain it
for at least another six months because there’s still a lot of folks who are out of work. 
The economy is improving, but the unemployment rate is still high.  This is being debated in
Congress right now. 

And so, Dennis, the answer is what we need is to make sure that Congress follows through on
its commitment to go ahead and maintain COBRA until people are working at a higher rate again.

Now, that’s not a long-term solution to Dennis’s question, though.  The problem is that
for a lot of folks like Dennis, once COBRA ran out, before this crisis and before the Recovery
Act, they were just out of luck.  If you didn’t have a job you didn’t have health
insurance, because buying health insurance in the private marketplace as an individual is
prohibitively expensive.  If you don’t -- if you’re not part of a big pool that can
negotiate with the insurance companies, they jack up your rates; you’re paying 20 percent
more or 30 percent more that you would paying if you were working for a big company.

In some cases, if you’ve got a preexisting condition, you just can’t get health insurance
at all.  Some of you have been through this.  Some of you, if you haven’t yet qualified for
Medicare, are going through it right now.  There are a lot of early retirees who aren’t yet
qualified for Medicare but they’ve lost their job; they’ve got enough savings to support
themselves, but they don’t have enough savings to be paying these huge medical bills.

So the whole idea behind the health reform bill was let’s put you in a pool so you get the
same leverage that somebody else does.  Let’s -- even if you’re on your own, or you’re a
small business owner, let’s give you the same negotiating power that somebody who works at
Google has.  So -- or another example, if you’re a federal worker, you’re part of a pool --
and you get a great deal. 

So the way the health care bill is structured is this:  If somebody like Dennis -- even after
COBRA is -- he’s no longer eligible for COBRA, somebody like Dennis could sign up to be part
of a pool where they got the best, lowest rates possible.  Kathleen Sebelius, as Secretary of
Health and Human Services, would be overseeing what these policies were that were offered. 
You’d have a choice of plans.  It wouldn’t be one size fits all.  If you were -- had -- if
Dennis had a bigger family and he had -- he mentioned his wife, so he wanted to have a certain
kind of better insurance, he could pay a little bit more.  If he was young and single and
feeling healthy, he could have a cheaper version.  But the point is, he’d get the benefit of
being part of this big pool.  That’s the main concept behind this health care reform bill.

If you still couldn’t afford it -- and there’s some people who -- they’re making minimum
wage, they’re not making a lot of money -- they still couldn’t afford the premium even
though it’s a much better deal than what they could get on their own, then we’re going to
provide tax credits, provide subsidies, to help people pay for their insurance.

Now, all of this doesn’t go into effect until 2013.  And I’ll anticipate the question
earlier -- how come it’s taking so long?  (Laughter.)  In this case, it’s not just a
question of money, it’s also a question of just setting it up right.  I mean, we’re talking
about 30 million people suddenly getting insurance.  That -- you’ve got to set it up in a way
that is efficient, isn’t subject to fraud.  So we had to phase that in to do it right over a
certain number of years.

But the key is, by 2014, which is right around the corner, what you’re going to see is a
situation where somebody like Dennis, even if his COBRA eligibility has lapsed, he’s going to
know, have the confidence, have the security, that he can look after himself and his wife when
it comes to their health care needs. 

And that is something that has existed in every other industrialized country in the world
except the United States -- up until this year.  Think about that.  We’re the wealthiest
nation of Earth.  Every other country had that basic security except us. 

And what we did was, we didn’t do anything radical.  We didn’t -- contrary to our critics,
this wasn’t socialized medicine.  We built off the private employer-based system that we
already had.  But we said, you know what, we’re going to fill these gaps so that everybody
has some security; so that you have no parent out there who’s thinking, I’m not sure I can
afford to take my child to a doctor even though she’s not feeling well; there’s nobody out
there who they lose their job at 55 and suddenly are thinking, you know what, for 10 years
I’ve got to go without health insurance; there’s nobody out there who, because they had a
preexisting condition -- if somebody like Fran, who had been stricken with breast cancer, who
right now, if Fran was working rather than retired and tried to get insurance right now, she
might be prohibited.  She might not be able to get health insurance. 

Well, that’s just not -- that’s not right.  It’s not reflective of the values of our
country.  That’s why we changed it.  And that’s why we are going to fight any effort to go
back to a system that doesn’t work for the American people and doesn’t work for our
seniors.

Thank you so much, everybody.  God bless you.  (Applause.)

SECRETARY SEBELIUS:  Thank you, Mr. President.

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